Brexit, the Yellow Vest Movement in France, and recent elections around the globe have all resounded as strong reactions to the post-World War II trend toward globalization. Globalism has many benefits, but so does nationalism. In this episode, Stephen proposes that we shouldn’t have to choose between one and the other. We want strong nations that are free to pursue their interests, and we want those nations to be part of global networks that are helping all nations to thrive. Beware of the hyper-globalist. Beware of the hyper-nationalist. They are both extremes, and the way forward may be in the middle.